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  My Uncle(JW) shot 8 buy Pennsyl. State Police.

  by D wiltshire in

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  my (favorite)uncle(bud) was shot eight times at almost point blank range by the pennsylvania highway patrol officers.. he is my uncle from my fathers side there were four brothers alive when i was young, and ever single one seem to be fearless.. they did pretty much as they pleased and got away with alot.

  none of them to my recollection seem to fear death(at least never showed it).. i remember picking out buckshot from my father's hand that my uncle bud(as we called him his real name was the same as my grandfather elmer).. my uncle roger was in the rodeo and was also a blacksmith.

  one time he lassoed my cousin and myself when he was drunk and gave us rope burns around our neck.

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  As I said my father told me about this stand off with his brother shortly after he was shot up.

  My uncle Bud was in the airforce near the end of world war 2 and was stationed in Egypt. He felt God must of had a special purpose for him, because he got called away from his (Company), I guess you call it that, and when he returned, I think he said the whole company was slaughtered and only he survived because he wasn't their when all the fighting broke out. And so because of this he would always tell me that God must have a special purpose for him.
  While in Egypt he fell in love with a greek woman who we called Hellen, she live in some greek settlement there, she was very educated, had a rich brother, and spoke several languages.
  My uncle wanted her so bad he lied to her and said he had lots of land and money in the USA.
  She fell for the lie and married him, well when they came to the USA she soon found out the truth. This was his first of a number of wives this marriage lasted about 20 years and produced 2 boys and one girl.
  Latter he became the sheriff of New Milford and since he was about 10 years older than my father my father lived with them for a while when still a teenager.

  Next the shoot out with the Police.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  My Uncle(JW) shot 8 buy Pennsyl. State Police.

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my (favorite)uncle(bud) was shot eight times at almost point blank range by the pennsylvania highway patrol officers.. he is my uncle from my fathers side there were four brothers alive when i was young, and ever single one seem to be fearless.. they did pretty much as they pleased and got away with alot.

  none of them to my recollection seem to fear death(at least never showed it).. i remember picking out buckshot from my father's hand that my uncle bud(as we called him his real name was the same as my grandfather elmer).. my uncle roger was in the rodeo and was also a blacksmith.

  one time he lassoed my cousin and myself when he was drunk and gave us rope burns around our neck.

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  My father told me soon after his brother Bud(Elmer) was gunned down by the police that a few years back(about 4 or 5), that Bud and him went on a little trip to go see their sister in law Alice who lived in Colorado, they both lived in Connecticut.
  They(uncle and father) both have drinking problems and wife problems.
  My father shot his second wife in the leg and my uncle was accused by his present wife of trying to burn the house down with her and her mother in it.
  My uncle had a camper van so they decided on this trip to Colorado. Driving while drinking was something my father did regularly, and seldom did he ever get in an accident and my uncle was the same way.

  Anyway they are running out of money to buy booze and gas, so Bud says to my father lets rob some of these truckers at the rest stop, they had 2 hand guns with them(.357 and .44 magnum).

  My father says he didn't want to do it. So Bud pulls one of the guns on my father and says: "I say lets rob them".
  My father picks up the revolver laying on the seat next to him pushes it in my uncles face, pulls back the hammer and says: "I SAY LETS NOT DO IT".
  Bud then proceeded to lower his gun and my father lowered his, it was a stand off.
  My father then proceeded to unload both guns and throw away all the bullets he could find when ever Bud wasn't looking.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  My Uncle(JW) shot 8 buy Pennsyl. State Police.

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my (favorite)uncle(bud) was shot eight times at almost point blank range by the pennsylvania highway patrol officers.. he is my uncle from my fathers side there were four brothers alive when i was young, and ever single one seem to be fearless.. they did pretty much as they pleased and got away with alot.

  none of them to my recollection seem to fear death(at least never showed it).. i remember picking out buckshot from my father's hand that my uncle bud(as we called him his real name was the same as my grandfather elmer).. my uncle roger was in the rodeo and was also a blacksmith.

  one time he lassoed my cousin and myself when he was drunk and gave us rope burns around our neck.

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  Larc,
  I will try to tell it, it's not that easy, but it helps me to try and remember these things. As I tell the story more things come to mind maybe that's good maybe it's bad I don't know?

  I will probably say more in the morning.
  I was not born a JW and my father never became one, only studied.
  My uncle Bud became a JW through me. One of his sons is still an elder in New Hampshire.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  My Uncle(JW) shot 8 buy Pennsyl. State Police.

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my (favorite)uncle(bud) was shot eight times at almost point blank range by the pennsylvania highway patrol officers.. he is my uncle from my fathers side there were four brothers alive when i was young, and ever single one seem to be fearless.. they did pretty much as they pleased and got away with alot.

  none of them to my recollection seem to fear death(at least never showed it).. i remember picking out buckshot from my father's hand that my uncle bud(as we called him his real name was the same as my grandfather elmer).. my uncle roger was in the rodeo and was also a blacksmith.

  one time he lassoed my cousin and myself when he was drunk and gave us rope burns around our neck.

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  My father told me this story after his brother Bud died(67 yrs old).
  There was alway something that each brother had against the other, but non the less, they still had this weird kind of respect for one another.
  I felt very little fear of my uncles in fact felt inspired by their lack of fear.
  My father did frighten me when I was small, but as I got bigger my fear faded. Once I almost shot my father when he, and I got in a terrible fight when I was only 17.
  I was sound asleep and we grabed me and lifted me up against the wall, I didn't know what was going on and started pushing him around. When I realized what I was doing I stopped, and then he started beating me when I stopped pushing him. I just couldn't hit him because he was my father who I loved.

  I was so upset, that I went in my bedroom unlocked my gun cabinet took out my 30 odd 6(30 caliber 1906) automatic and loaded the clip full of bullets.
  My dad heard this and did not come in my room because he knew what I would do.
  I say this with some sadness because it is true. I finally felt so bad that I would even shot my own father that I unloaded the gun and locked it back in the cabinet.
  Don't get me wrong I really loved my father, but I couldn't take any undeserved crap from him.

  Anyway he tells me this story about my uncle Bud after he died and it went like this.....(guns)

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Your best (one sentence) description of the WT

  by moman in

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  here iz mine:.

  #1) "a cancer of the soul".

  #2) "a fools paradise".

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  WatchTower the most presumptuous, publishing company that ever existed.

  I'm sorry I posted 2 times.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Mere Christianity: logical reasoning

  by Rex B13 in

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  mere christianity: excerpt.

  chapter one.

  every one has heard people quarrelling.

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  D wiltshire

  HS,

  Thanks, I'm not that book smart.
  And yes that's kinda what I mean. It's hard to explain as clear I should.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Mere Christianity: logical reasoning

  by Rex B13 in

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  mere christianity: excerpt.

  chapter one.

  every one has heard people quarrelling.

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  D wiltshire

  Seeker,
  I will try but it's not easy.
  Conscious life, life that knows anything, to know something makes you an entity.
  Hows that?

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  My Uncle(JW) shot 8 buy Pennsyl. State Police.

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my (favorite)uncle(bud) was shot eight times at almost point blank range by the pennsylvania highway patrol officers.. he is my uncle from my fathers side there were four brothers alive when i was young, and ever single one seem to be fearless.. they did pretty much as they pleased and got away with alot.

  none of them to my recollection seem to fear death(at least never showed it).. i remember picking out buckshot from my father's hand that my uncle bud(as we called him his real name was the same as my grandfather elmer).. my uncle roger was in the rodeo and was also a blacksmith.

  one time he lassoed my cousin and myself when he was drunk and gave us rope burns around our neck.

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  D wiltshire

  My (favorite)Uncle(Bud) was shot eight times at almost point blank range by the Pennsylvania Highway patrol officers.

  He is my uncle from my fathers side there were four brothers alive when I was young, and ever single one seem to be fearless.
  They did pretty much as they pleased and got away with alot. None of them to my recollection seem to fear death(at least never showed it).
  I remember picking out buckshot from my father's hand that my uncle Bud(as we called him his real name was the same as my grandfather Elmer).

  My uncle Roger was in the rodeo and was also a blacksmith. One time he lassoed my cousin and myself when he was drunk and gave us rope burns around our neck. When my father found out he started beating the shit out of him and my uncle Calvin stopped him.
  My father spent 2 years in reform school when he was young for beating someone almost to death. My father could be dangereous. He was young when he went to reform school so it was not kept on his record, in fact he latter went in the army and became a sargent and was offered a job as a police man and turned it down because he won't catter to the rich in town.

  My favorite uncle Bud loved Guns and always had them around. He was DF once and at the time of his being shot he was not DF'd even though no longer living by JW standards. My father tells me the story of....

  Want more of a true story as I lived it and what other of the family told me.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Mere Christianity: logical reasoning

  by Rex B13 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mere christianity: excerpt.

  chapter one.

  every one has heard people quarrelling.

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  D wiltshire

  Seeker,

  To me the fact that any living thing can know anything at all is one of the things that make me beleive their is a God.
  Mind you that is not the only thing.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Can You Defend Yourself before a J. Committee?

  by D wiltshire in

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  to those who have been before a judicial committee for apostacy.. the elders will ask you questions not for the purpose of finding out the truth, but to make sure they can df you.. at my appeal hearing serveral months ago i was questioned by the appeal committees to their satifaction, they even thanked me for my honesty, as it helped them get what they were looking for to make the original dfing stand.. after they were finished with their questions i ask if i could now defend myself and prove that i was telling the truth and not a biblical apostate.. the chairman informed me that i would not be allowed to defend myself.. i looked at all 8 brothers(2 committees 5 & 3) in total amazement at his refusal to allow me to defend myself.

  to them(8) it seem perfectly alright not to allow me to defend myself.. wow.. the chairman said they really were not a judicial court and did not need to be that concerned about doing things in harmony with what is concidered to be fair and right by worldly courts or the bible.

  in fact the chairman spent about 10 minutes trying to explain why they didn't have have to be fair in the legalistic way of courts.. .

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  SJ,

  14 times you meet with them and because you won't meet for the fifteenth your rebellious what a bunch of swill. Those elders need their collective asses kicked.

  Thanks for the post, and oh I almost forgot and may you have peace too,.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?